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04/11/06 at 04:42pm GMT+1
Guiris and the nationalist cause

Source: Planet Churro
Section: Reporters
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Over on Barcelona Reporter there is a long-running debate in the comments section about whether the site has an anti-nationalist bias (it has, but in the name of balance and editorial freedom that’s perfectly justifiable) and there have been accusations that it thus draws in ‘right-wing anti-Catalan nutters’, both Spanish and foreign.

So why is it that guiris don’t generally buy into the whole nationalist deal? Yes, you get the odd Matthew Tree figure who makes the perpetuation of Catalan culture a one-man crusade, but a straw poll of the guiris I know reveals that most are at best indifferent, or in most cases quite strongly opposed to Catalan nationalism.

The obvious answer is that we simply can’t be arsed with the language, which is an integral part of nationalism here. Having struggled to get to an acceptable level in Spanish, we then see that we’re missing out on a whole range of things without Catalan, so we turn against it wholesale. That’s true in some cases, but plenty of long-term residents get by in Catalan or are actually fluent in it, and continue to resent Catalan nationalism. So what’s happening?

Most of my guiri mates, brought up in political climates with either a socialist or libertarian/free-market set of values, find Catalan nationalism to be completely incompatible with social equality or personal freedom, business efficiency and wealth creation, and herein lies the problem.

For anyone coming from the left, nationalism is about as attractive as being locked in a cupboard with a tape of sardana classics screeching away at full blast. Lefties can’t see why Catalonia should get special privileges within Spain because it contributes more to the national coffers (the basic argument of the ‘deficit fiscal’ nationalist crowd). Part of the fundamental reasoning behind taxes is to redistribute income according to need, not simply to repay it in terms of who paid most in the first place. And a Marxist analysis of the state of affairs within Catalonia reveals that government spending is carried out in a way that does nothing to help the most disadvantaged classes (which happen to be Spanish speakers in the vast majority of cases). Vast amounts of cash are spent on Catalanista initiatives which give nothing to the generally uninterested working class in order to forge/impose an identity that can then be used to the political advantage of the regional powermeisters and cover up incompetence and misuse of public funds. The 1.2 million euros given to the pro-Catalan national sports team platform this year, for example, are of dubious benefit to anyone apart from the nationalist middle-classes who use the idea to ratchet up their status as an ‘oppressed people’ and exert pressure in favour of their self-serving cause. Ignore and rule rather than divide and rule, but the outcome is broadly similar.

Guiris of a right-wing persuasion are often more libertarian, interested in personal freedom and free market solutions. Again, Catalan nationalism, with its market-distorting practices (the argument that Catalan language and culture is somehow a public good with positive externalities does not wash, I’m afraid), offers them very little. A regional government that uses the Institut Català de Finances to dole out cash to loss-making regime-friendly firms without applying efficiency criteria and which tries to bend the rules to help out small companies (thus encouraging them to stay small rather than grow) does not tie in with this line of right-wing thinking.

Socially, Catalan nationalism is constantly trying to impose a set of values on society instead of letting people come to their own conclusions; rather than adapt to the social reality of the country, nationalism tries to adapt society to an idealised vision of a glorious Catalonia from times gone by. This is as much of an anathema to guiris from the right as the left; that nationalist precepts should be taken as unquestionable truths to such an extent that any dissident voices are shouted down as fascists is offensive to anyone who values open debate.

So we’re just a bunch of malintegrats at the end of the day. But we can take comfort from the fact that we’re not the only ones, as plenty of Catalonia-born Catalans are also fed up with having nationalism (and its inability to answer their problems) rammed down their throats, as has been borne out by the results of Wednesday’s regional elections.

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This item first appeared on ‘Planet Churro: Mouthing off about Spain & beyond’ (03.11.06)

Web: http://daniel1969.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/guiris-and-the-nationalist-cause/



Pampy - Johnny does have a point (although, as usual it is expressed in a strange way). Rather than just descending to insults, perhaps you could take some time to explain how you think life would be in Catalonia without any of those elements of 'anglo' culture that Johnny listed.

You're a newcomer here (at least, this identity of yours is), and insofaras you're clearly gald that the site is closing down, you're very much in a minority. I suggest that you make an effort to explain yourself using rational argument rather than debasing yourself with ad hominem attacks and fallacious propositions. Otherwise, what are you brining to the table? Not much, the way I see it.
Posted by Tom Clarke on 22/02/07 at 03:23pm
IP: 87.219.151.123 | Spain

Johnny the gringo refers to himself in the third person. And I am crazy?

Blog flamers? This is a blog? Not by any means. You don't even know the product you're trying to peddle. Any wonders why the business tanked?
Oh, and how goes the job hunting John?
This is in all probability the most traffic your site has received in some time.
All things unexceptionable must come to a very drawn out finale.
-ciao
Posted by on 22/02/07 at 03:12pm
IP: 81.32.180.251 | Spain

Pompistic: are you on crack? What's all this using pseudonyms and then criticising everyone else for it? What's all this fascism? Are you a mini-falangista? Do you touch yourself and think of Franco? Dirty boy.

Johnny tells it like it is: Pompapolles is nothing more than a mental corner-shouter. You get them everywhere. I think I saw him muttering obscenties once in the Parc de la Ciutadella. Of course, people like him should be careful. What they really want is a return to centuries gone by when Catalonia was free from 'anglo' intereference... electricity, television, the printed word, woven cotton, bricks, the electric guitar, secularism, parliamentary democracy: all this is vainglorious sin to Pompi. And he's right.

Catalonia doesn't need any of that crap. We're fine, thanks. So you can stick your electricity and your printing press and your global trade networks and your combustion engines up your culs!
Posted by Johnny Magics i Culé on 22/02/07 at 11:59am
IP: 65.111.169.35 | United States

Whilst I can understand the desire to impose some form of censorship on some of the comments which appear on the site from time-to-time, it has always been a policy of the site to allow - if you like - a 'freedom of expression'.

How commentators decide to employ that liberty remains the responsibility of the individual wishing to submit a comment.

It is clear that recent comments made by 'Pompistic Fabrulousstos' (PF) and his/her other pseudonyms are clearly designed to provoke a reaction from those who may stumble upon them. 'Blog flamers' such as PF, in my opinion, should - quite simply - be ignored, no matter what the provocation.

Potential commentators need only ask one question of themselves when confronted with comments such as those submitted by PF - "am I wasting my time and the time of others by submitting a response?"

John Pawlenko
Barcelona Reporter
Posted by Barcelona Reporter on 22/02/07 at 11:27am
IP: 85.50.140.193 | Spain

It was a joke, you crashing bore. Designed to stimulate your most classy response. And look, it worked. The jokes on you, Pompy.
Posted by Tom Clarke on 22/02/07 at 11:13am
IP: 87.219.151.123 | Spain

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